Why doesnt BlenderBIM have Rebar ?

C by condur on 27 May 2024 # +3 votes

It's crazy the boldness of someone who comes and demands things, without understanding how this project works in the first place, how it's financed and developed.

Look, friends, the matter is very simple: at the moment there are not enough resources to cover yet this development area. Plain and simple.

If you want things to speed up, create issues (while using a friendly tone - there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations), learn to code, or start contributing financially. Because if you work with IFC, you will use this tool guaranteed at some point. By contributing you help speed things up.

Regarding reinforcement in IFC models, what I can tell you is that in Norway, MOST of the projects require this. My large infrastructure project has a reinforcement model for every concrete structure, no matter how small. I think this will become the norm globally sooner rather than later, either you like it or not :) All building projects I see around also have reinforcement models.

I can tell you, personally I would love to see better tools in BBIM that support this, but at the same time, I also understand that resources must be allocated where they can make the biggest impact, namely where most users are, and what MOST users need, not a random guy from Norway.

An emulation to the Tekla Structures approach would be crazy, or maybe Allplan. I'm quite sure both beat hands down Revit when it comes to reinforcement.

O by Omeyotzin127 on 27 May 2024, edited 27 May 2024 #

@condur said:

It's crazy the boldness of someone who comes and demands things, without understanding how this project works in the first place, how it's financed and developed.

Look, friends, the matter is very simple: at the moment there are not enough resources to cover yet this development area. Plain and simple.

If you want things to speed up, create issues (while using a friendly tone - there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations), learn to code, or start contributing financially. Because if you work with IFC, you will use this tool guaranteed at some point. By contributing you help speed things up.

Regarding reinforcement in IFC models, what I can tell you is that in Norway, MOST of the projects require this. My large infrastructure project has a reinforcement model for every concrete structure, no matter how small. I think this will become the norm globally sooner rather than later, either you like it or not :) All building projects I see around also have reinforcement models.

I can tell you, personally I would love to see better tools in BBIM that support this, but at the same time, I also understand that resources must be allocated where they can make the biggest impact, namely where most users are, and what MOST users need, not a random guy from Norway.

An emulation to the Tekla Structures approach would be crazy, or maybe Allplan. I'm quite sure both beat hands down Revit when it comes to reinforcement.

OK , i understand you would also like rebar... so, are you pushing back on funding these kind of necessities?

I don't have the 3k you are talking about, architects in Mexico (me) make $200-300 USD a week only and thats the reason most use cracked software which i dislike.

I trust the potential of this project, i believe in it.

M by Moult on 27 May 2024 # +9 votes

@condur is our second highest sponsor, being a corporate sponsor who has donated 4,310USD so far. He is responsible of ~15% of our total raised funding on OpenCollective. We are incredibly thankful of his donations, and without him, would not be able to sponsor development the way we do currently. The entire community is benefitting.

I think we all agree 3D rebar modeling would be a great feature to have. What is holding it back is the urgency to which it is needed, and the limited resources we have. The general approach to resolve this is to:

File a bug, or if a bug already exists, post a comment on there
If you know how to code, start writing code and exploring a technical solution
Begin donating. A recurring monthly donation of $5 or $10 doesn't sound like a lot, but it actually makes a huge deal as it adds up.

Once you've considered all three options, the next most productive thing to do is to... repeat the three options! Explore the software's capabilities, of which there is a lot, and explore its shortcomings, of which there is also a lot! Help us triage, feedback, test, and push it to its limits continuously :)

N by Nigel on 28 May 2024 # +6 votes

Hey everyone, I think we may be reacting to tone of the original message, I bristled a little when I read it too however, I reminded myself this forum is in English and to most of the members it may be a second language. The idea was fine, the delivery not so much. This project is Free and Open-Source software, people donate their time and energy to make an alternative to the mainstream, lets do that with respect and a sense of humour, give what you can, whether that is a little money, a good idea, some coding or just a kind word.

C by condur on 28 May 2024 # +6 votes

@Omeyotzin127 said:

@condur said:

It's crazy the boldness of someone who comes and demands things, without understanding how this project works in the first place, how it's financed and developed.

Look, friends, the matter is very simple: at the moment there are not enough resources to cover yet this development area. Plain and simple.

If you want things to speed up, create issues (while using a friendly tone - there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations), learn to code, or start contributing financially. Because if you work with IFC, you will use this tool guaranteed at some point. By contributing you help speed things up.

Regarding reinforcement in IFC models, what I can tell you is that in Norway, MOST of the projects require this. My large infrastructure project has a reinforcement model for every concrete structure, no matter how small. I think this will become the norm globally sooner rather than later, either you like it or not :) All building projects I see around also have reinforcement models.

I can tell you, personally I would love to see better tools in BBIM that support this, but at the same time, I also understand that resources must be allocated where they can make the biggest impact, namely where most users are, and what MOST users need, not a random guy from Norway.

An emulation to the Tekla Structures approach would be crazy, or maybe Allplan. I'm quite sure both beat hands down Revit when it comes to reinforcement.

OK , i understand you would also like rebar... so, are you pushing back on funding these kind of necessities?

I don't have the 3k you are talking about, architects in Mexico (me) make $200-300 USD a week only and thats the reason most use cracked software which i dislike.

I trust the potential of this project, i believe in it.

Look, I understand the economy is not great where you live, but it is not fair to just show up and demand things like someone who is entitled to it. That's how I interpreted your replies at least. Sorry for being too harsh maybe, but what I try to do is to remind everyone that we should be grateful in the first place, and then try to do anything else we can.

No matter where you are in the world, I think anyone can afford a $5 monthly contribution. Although symbolic, it adds up.

On top of that, being friendly, and contributing in other ways like: reporting bugs, and writing documentation, there are many ways you can do it.

Let's not forget one thing here: we are few, and we are a family. We are the weird ones in AEC, the ones making sacrifices to try to change this dinosaur-old thinking industry, while everyone else marches in the direction dictated by the big vendors.

Let's be friends, and do our best.

P.S. You have no idea how much time, sweat and passion Dion has invested so far and keeps doing that, so let's respect that. On top of Thomas creating IfcOpenShell we are incredibly indebted to him for having this tool in the first place, at the development state it is today.

So, Dion and Thomas, one more time, thank you for all the sacrifices you make daily for the built environment!

O by Omeyotzin127 on 28 May 2024 #

@condur said:

@Omeyotzin127 said:

@condur said:

It's crazy the boldness of someone who comes and demands things, without understanding how this project works in the first place, how it's financed and developed.

Look, friends, the matter is very simple: at the moment there are not enough resources to cover yet this development area. Plain and simple.

If you want things to speed up, create issues (while using a friendly tone - there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations), learn to code, or start contributing financially. Because if you work with IFC, you will use this tool guaranteed at some point. By contributing you help speed things up.

Regarding reinforcement in IFC models, what I can tell you is that in Norway, MOST of the projects require this. My large infrastructure project has a reinforcement model for every concrete structure, no matter how small. I think this will become the norm globally sooner rather than later, either you like it or not :) All building projects I see around also have reinforcement models.

I can tell you, personally I would love to see better tools in BBIM that support this, but at the same time, I also understand that resources must be allocated where they can make the biggest impact, namely where most users are, and what MOST users need, not a random guy from Norway.

An emulation to the Tekla Structures approach would be crazy, or maybe Allplan. I'm quite sure both beat hands down Revit when it comes to reinforcement.

OK , i understand you would also like rebar... so, are you pushing back on funding these kind of necessities?

I don't have the 3k you are talking about, architects in Mexico (me) make $200-300 USD a week only and thats the reason most use cracked software which i dislike.

I trust the potential of this project, i believe in it.

Look, I understand the economy is not great where you live, but it is not fair to just show up and demand things like someone who is entitled to it. That's how I interpreted your replies at least. Sorry for being too harsh maybe, but what I try to do is to remind everyone that we should be grateful in the first place, and then try to do anything else we can.

No matter where you are in the world, I think anyone can afford a $5 monthly contribution. Although symbolic, it adds up.

On top of that, being friendly, and contributing in other ways like: reporting bugs, and writing documentation, there are many ways you can do it.

Let's not forget one thing here: we are few, and we are a family. We are the weird ones in AEC, the ones making sacrifices to try to change this dinosaur-old thinking industry, while everyone else marches in the direction dictated by the big vendors.

Let's be friends, and do our best.

P.S. You have no idea how much time, sweat and passion Dion has invested so far and keeps doing that, so let's respect that. On top of Thomas creating IfcOpenShell we are incredibly indebted to him for having this tool in the first place, at the development state it is today.

So, Dion and Thomas, one more time, thank you for all the sacrifices you make daily for the built environment!

I demanded something? Have you read the title of my post ? it's a plain question... it says: "Why doesn't BlenderBIM have rebar? I guess you own a right for you money, but its getting aggressive in here for normal people like me. Did i hurt your feelings because i talk about rebar and your business doesn't include rebar in their projects when made with Blender? i mean you can all kick me out of here, but im telling you it was just a plain question and yall react like im being rude...

I feel like some are telling me: "don't tell me this about my BIM" "if it doesn't have it nobody needs it" "shut up kid, youre not a chairman like me with your $10 bucks".

All this for missing rebar question... yall code, but yall don't take questions politely.

I didn't get any respect for my donations, it was just not enough. You keep telling me to donate when i already did, what is wrong...??

Goodbye people.

O by Omeyotzin127 on 28 May 2024, edited 28 May 2024 #

Blender was real cool before i got invited to this community and i met this "important chairman" telling me to not speak out. Who hasn't used Blender? i mean its popular. I was using it for rendering and starting to get familiar with BBIM, i noticed some differences for basic projects, i regularly use Revit and NanoCAD.

But if its only the Chairmans right to suggest rebar, then be it, whoa! it feels like he jumps out of a dungeon to scare everyone who asks questions.

You might need two different moderators for the community, one for dumb people like me and other for people who can rub money in our faces ( for chairmans of Blender private company). That way we don't bother their hierarchy and moderators for regular people like me, so we dont distract the community. And im honest about it, you might need to separate us.

Forum for basic and supporting members and forum for richer people (business).

O by Omeyotzin127 on 28 May 2024, edited 28 May 2024 #

@Nigel said:

Hey everyone, I think we may be reacting to tone of the original message, I bristled a little when I read it too however, I reminded myself this forum is in English and to most of the members it may be a second language. The idea was fine, the delivery not so much. This project is Free and Open-Source software, people donate their time and energy to make an alternative to the mainstream, lets do that with respect and a sense of humour, give what you can, whether that is a little money, a good idea, some coding or just a kind word.

Dude, i speak English... i was born in California and i was raised in Mexico where i love living with my people. I understand this BIM Voice guys have a big accent. Sometimes i can't even understand what their saying on youtube.

Anyway for all of this i think i haveyour answers clear now... "NO REBAR AND DONT EVER ASK AGAIN".

N by NickNunes on 28 May 2024 # +6 votes

My 2 cents in this conversation, I'll put it in spanish below to try to clear the confusion. My first language is neither English or Spanish, but I'm (sorta) fluent in both:

No one ever said "no rebar and don't ever ask again", but a few things you said specifically triggered people:

If this is a real BIM why doesn't have the option to generate Rebar ?

That's honestly not the way to open a conversation, plain and simple. You're implying that what is happening here is not real BIM just because it doesn't have a feature that you consider super important. When people called you out that "hey it may come but in the future, help us out" you said:

Honestly, i dont code, but if i could contribute in that way i would, my contribution is saying the thruth about the way it works for me, im an architect in Mexico (just for background). I can donate no problem, but when the Addon works right for architects.

You are quite literally saying that you'll only donate after the software has the functionality that you demand, and in software development (including paid software) this is very rarely the case. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but those were your specific words, which ties back to the Norwegian friend:

there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations

He is just saying that you are making demands LIKE YOU PAID 3.000 USD for a license of a software, when this isn't the case, nobody is saying they don't take criticism, but if you request a feature at least be nice about it.

----------- (Español ahora por si acaso)--------------------------------------------------------------

Nadie dijo "no haremos refuerzos y no lo preguntes otra vez, pero algunas cosas especificas encabronaron a la gente:

Si esto es BIM de verdad por que no tiene la opción de hacer refuerzos?

Honestamente, esto no es la manera de empezar un dialogo, así de sencillo. Estás implicando que lo que está pasando aquí no es BIM de verdad solo porque no tiene una cosa que tu consideras super importante. Cuando la gente te llamó la atención "hey puede venir en el futuro, ayúdenos" tu dijiste:

Honestly, i dont code, but if i could contribute in that way i would, my contribution is saying the thruth about the way it works for me, im an architect in Mexico (just for background). I can donate no problem, but when the Addon works right for architects.

(Que traduciendo para como lo entiendo yo:)

Honestamente, yo no sé programar, si pudiese contribuir de esta manera lo haría, mi contribución es decir la verdad sobre lo que funciona para mí, soy un arquitecto en Mexico (por darte contexto), yo puedo donar sin problemas, pero solamente cuando el addon funcione para los arquitectos.

Tu estas diciendo que literalmente solo vas a donar cuando el software tenga las funciones que tu exiges, y en desarrollo de software (incluyendo los de pago) esto es muy raramente el caso. Quizá no querías expresarte de esa forma, pero esas fueron tus palabras literales, lo que entonces encaja con el amigo noruego:

Hay gente dedicando muchas horas todas las semanas para apoyar este proyecto, y vienes pegando puñetazos en la mesa como si hubieses pagado 3.000 dolares/año en una licencia y el producto que has pagado no cumple con tus expectativas

Lo que dijo él es que tu estás haciendo demandas COMO SI HUBIESE pagado 3.000 USD para la licencia del software, cuando ese no es el caso, nadie está diciendo que no se aceptan criticas, pero si haces una petición por lo menos ser más amable.

O by Omeyotzin127 on 28 May 2024, edited 28 May 2024 #

@condur said:

It's crazy the boldness of someone who comes and demands things, without understanding how this project works in the first place, how it's financed and developed.

Look, friends, the matter is very simple: at the moment there are not enough resources to cover yet this development area. Plain and simple.

If you want things to speed up, create issues (while using a friendly tone - there are people here dedicating many hours every week to support this project and you come hitting with the fist on the table like you paid a $3k/yearly license and the product you paid for does not deliver upon your expectations), learn to code, or start contributing financially. Because if you work with IFC, you will use this tool guaranteed at some point. By contributing you help speed things up.

Regarding reinforcement in IFC models, what I can tell you is that in Norway, MOST of the projects require this. My large infrastructure project has a reinforcement model for every concrete structure, no matter how small. I think this will become the norm globally sooner rather than later, either you like it or not :) All building projects I see around also have reinforcement models.

I can tell you, personally I would love to see better tools in BBIM that support this, but at the same time, I also understand that resources must be allocated where they can make the biggest impact, namely where most users are, and what MOST users need, not a random guy from Norway.

An emulation to the Tekla Structures approach would be crazy, or maybe Allplan. I'm quite sure both beat hands down Revit when it comes to reinforcement.

No problem i can forgive you guys because i now understand one thing: Your countries have a specialist for every trade in every project.

Where i graduated (Mexico) we (architects) do EVERYTHING, i mean everything. If the project is below 200 square meters, then the architect is in charge of MEP, Structural, management, i mean we do EVERYTHING.

I have worked in different trades in United States (California) before i returned to finish my career in Mexico, so i do know as matter of fact, that the architect doesn't take care of EVERYTHING like in Mexico.

Im not saying that im better, im saying that i understand i have needs for a full working BIM and i also understand this is not gonna be the right one for me for the moment, and i can only donate so lil monthly for the moment...

So i want to empathize that if i was like you guys, i wouldn't need rebar. I have worked with wooden frame structures in United States, theres no rebar in anything, only in concrete floor slabs. Mexico pours concrete all day long, and workers bending rebar all day long everywhere (unfortunately its not green, its not very sustainable in Mexico).

But just read the title of my post, its just a question made by a Jack of all trades (as i was saying people don't have great economy over here to hire specialists, and specialists are rare, so architects do everything in a project below 200 square meters), thats why the question might sound outrageous..?

Believe me ITS A QUESTION, NOT A REQUEST.

Im out of here brother. I like FreeCAD, i only preferred Cycles rendering, but hey! like i said i can forgive you for slapping me with money things, i was just a random jack of all trades architect asking a question...