Videos posted on youtube are made to be shared !
Videos posted on youtube are made to be shared !
@bitacovir said:
If creators want their videos only accessible on youtube webpage, they should setup some restrictions or state what they want.
It would be nice if this was how copyright worked - but it isn't. Anyone who fails to make a copyright statement is keeping full copyright of their work. That's something we as Free Software / Creative Commons advocates have to educate people on.
But as has been noted, I don't think there is a problem. I have not heard of anyone ever having a problem with embedding/rapping youtube content.
@SigmaDimensions the buttons look good! Nice work.
Could someone, @bitacovir , @dimitar explain more the whole idea of tags on video tutorials? Isn't the categories Yassine has made enough? If we really want a system for organizing content then we should implement it centrally so the software list, wiki, and tutorials use the same system and can link to each others categorization. For example if we think a category is "Energy Modelling" then we should have an energy modelling section for the software list, the video tutorials and link the wiki software pages together as well as a general page like this https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=Energy_Modeling
Really, I suggest that the category / tags discussion is a separate discussion and deserves it's own thread. If we're going to do it then we should first explore existing ways of dividing software into groups. Phases do not work at all as we all know much software is used in several / all phases. So then we have to use multiple tags instead of categories to create the relevant overlap.
While I agree with much of what you write @dimitar I just think we need to take a broad perspective and find a way to organize content that includes the whole osarch project and not only this collection of links to videos.
Does anyone have a suggestion on a good way of finding/making a list of tags/categories? Maybe ISBN has something? A long discussion thread is probably not a good way to do it. Maybe a wiki page? I feel like maybe categories are most useful for tools with a narrow focus while tags make it easier to include something like Inkscape in basically every phase from sketch, to presentation to documentation.
@topologic said:
... and fill out the Wiki pages.
Great! I've tried to make the Inkscape page an example. Let me know of any way you don't like that page so we can expand/change it to keep it as a good example other pages can follow. It's missing things like embedded video etc. https://wiki.osarch.org/index.php?title=Inkscape
Oh yeah~ very wonderful resource~
With youtube, if the creator has allows the videos to be embeddable, then they can be posted anywhere, really, no matter the license. And most would be happy to have their videos listed in more places. So I I would say post link and videos unless an author complains.
I do think I went overboard... gotta get acquanited with a good lawyer haha.
Right. Videos will be referenced to regardless of license - the option to " complain" or request "removal" will be removed. Youtube videos are indeed meant to be shared.
@dimitar said:
- Is this a search tool, for someone that has a concrete idea in mind and is looking for the right source to help her/him along the way?
- I see it as both a discovery tool and a potential search tool once it grows larger. As a search tool, the cc0 textures interface is quite nice witho automatic suggestions for the tags: https://cc0textures.com/list?sort=Popular
Yes; for now it's only a discover tool before it can become a search tool, but think it's best to add the search option and try and reach final UI as soon as possible
- the front page feels a bit tacky - the moving boxes are a bit distracting. How about not having a separate sidebar in the front page and somehow adding icons to each item in the sidebar?
Agreed - let's try this.
- I see that the website uses categories but it may be better to use tags for content? reason being is that quite a few channels or videos may fall into multiple categories. Edit - I am reading some of the previous posts and see this has already been mentioned.
Indeed this scenario is recurrent and I hand't found a fix for it. Tags is the way forward
- schematic design - this is an American term for concept design. In most parts of the world, it is called concept design. Within the US, concept design is also understood to be the earlier phases of design, so I would suggest renaming schematic design category to concept design. (note for those who are wondering, I am a US registered architect operating in the UK, with work experience and degrees from both sides of the ocean)
Agreed !
- I think we need a procedural design category. Not sure if it should be within the concept/schematic design, as procedural design can fit within multiple phases. In there, we could have info about Sverchok, Geonodes, topologic, Homemaker, and also touching upon some of the inherent proceduralism of Blender and Freecad for those that are interested to learn more specifically.
- I like the phasing of each category, which make me question the software to find inside. Maybe, with tags it would make more sense to have search filter in the front page, with each item tagged with both the software it is showcasing, and the workflow (design phase, etc)
Good suggestion to add a seperate procedural design section - I also thing tags will definetly solve it, and provide the means for better search in future.
Let's see what next release will be like ?
@duncan said:
While I agree with much of what you write @dimitar I just think we need to take a broad perspective and find a way to organize content that includes the whole osarch project and not only this collection of links to videos.
And not to forget the overaall theme integration which I went freestyle on. Can we start this discussion @JanF @duncan @Moult @tetov ?
@duncan said:
@bitacovir said:
If creators want their videos only accessible on youtube webpage, they should setup some restrictions or state what they want.
It would be nice if this was how copyright worked - but it isn't. Anyone who fails to make a copyright statement is keeping full copyright of their work.
That is not what I mean. I am talking about the preference of some creators for direct visitors on their youtube channels. Some people make money with direct visitors: because this way, visitors keep watching more videos, and click on the "bell" or on the "Like". etc. That is a possible cause of complains if the videos are imbedded in other sites. But at the same time, is responsibility of the creator to set up restrictions for Youtube's functionalities if that is their intention.
@bitacovir I don't think I agree with you (but I'm not a lawyer). If you make a film and put it on your private website for free viewing but keeping all copyright intact - it is not reasonable for me to then embed that film in my own website surrounded by links to my favorite popcorn brand on Amazon. I could still link to your film, but I couldn't embed it. Whether or not someone makes a technical effort to stop it is beside the point. The fact that Youtube makes it easy suggests it's buried somewhere in their terms. Interesting reading at turbofuture and blogpros ... oh and it gets more complicated reading techlawforum
Basically @SigmaDimensions just ignore me and keep doing your thing with the videos
Actually @SigmaDimensions how it is getting the 'episodes' and why not just open the whole channel in a new browser window?
@duncan @bitacovir - thank you for your the discussion, it has shed some important light :
I was wrong too - and that is perfect !
Youtube clearly states on their Terms and Services that:
" Licence to Other Users
You also grant each other user of the Service a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free licence to access your Content through the Service, and to use that Content (including to reproduce, distribute, modify, display, and perform it) only as enabled by a feature of the Service."
Therefore: Regardless of the Creative Commons License that a content creator may set or not, any other youtube user worldwide can embed videos. The code is also public, and anyone can check that it is indeed using the youtube iframe feature to emebed the videos in html. Hence, this is absolutely fine.
**Happy Days !
Let the fun begin !**
PS. To the content creators I have buzzed above - appologies for the useless ping. You guys are doing wonderful things, and it is a pleasure to watch and learn from you. Thank you :)
Yassine. (SigmaDimensions is nothing but a Trademark - in case curiosity itches)
@SigmaDimensions it's not a useless ping to remind people to sort out their licenses. Wouldn't it be great if was hosted many of these videos on a non-google platform like our own peertube instance? That would require that there are clear copyright statements.
i just got a chance to review the website and kudos to those who made it. it looks great. as others mentioned, my feedback is as follows:
moving boxes on the home page makes me feel dizzy, it feels kinda different.
definitely needs search bar.
tags for content is definitely more suitable. as a user, i have to go through several pages in order to access the content right now and it is not ideal.
as @dimitar mentioned, more like cc0textures kinda interface is great. i love the design of the https://www.dimensions.com, and i think we can inspire from it. -in my humble opinion :)-
do we have admins for this page that uploads content?
if there is anything i could do, i would be more than happy @duncan @SigmaDimensions , just let me know. keep up the good work!!
@gokermu do you know some web coding (tip: this system is very simple by design, so even if you don't, it's easy to pick up!)? If so, check out https://github.com/myoualid/learn-osarch to help contribute.
@Moult said:
@gokermu do you know some web coding (tip: this system is very simple by design, so even if you don't, it's easy to pick up!)? If so, check out https://github.com/myoualid/learn-osarch to help contribute.
unfortunately I don't but I can help design thumbnails for categories. right now they are pretty generic images :)
Agree that non-generic thumbnails would definitely be preferred!
@duncan said:
@SigmaDimensions it's not a useless ping to remind people to sort out their licenses. Wouldn't it be great if was hosted many of these videos on a non-google platform like our own peertube instance? That would require that there are clear copyright statements.
Agreed, I have now bulk updated all videos in Aether Engineering's channel to Creative Commons License.
@Moult said:
Agree that non-generic thumbnails would definitely be preferred!
if others agree, i would create thumbnail images for categories. if there are not other plans for website :)
Good icons for the categories sounds like a great idea. I will always come back to the issue that we need to standardize our categories across systems. But as long as you're fine to change some things later then I see no problem. @SigmaDimensions you cool with this?
@gokermu what software are you using for your graphics work?
@duncan said:
Good icons for the categories sounds like a great idea. I will always come back to the issue that we need to standardize our categories across systems. But as long as you're fine to change some things later then I see no problem. @SigmaDimensions you cool with this?
@gokermu what software are you using for your graphics work?
I am using Figma weird enough :) and sometimes photopea for quick edits. I use my company device that's why I generally depend on browser based solutions :)
@gokermu @duncan , agree with all your suggestions! I'll try to push my noob php / javascript skills to try and pull a new website together asap.
It would be sweet to have our own Thumnails @gokermu ! Thank you for that ! I haven't yet added an admin panel, but who knows, maybe within a few weeks that can surface too !
@duncan -I think you're definetly right about providing links that open up the Youtube Playlists instead of embedding the videos. This would ensure we focus on promoting content creators and their courses, whilst avoiding we repeat the work that was done by the Authors themselves.
There were quite a few tags closely related so I've put them all under education. It was not immediately obvious how to do this, but renaming an existing tag to an already existing name gives the option to merge. The different tags were courses, learning, tutorial and things like that. Please in future use education so we can collect all of this topic in one place. If the topic genuinely is more specific than 'education' let me know and we can maybe change the discussion title.
Why did I do this? Mainly to target the discussion more, it was not possible to get an overview of relevant discussion before this change without going in and out of a whole bunch of tags. I hope this makes it easier so we can improve how we support educational resources.
(Hopefully better formatting. Also added direct links to the playlists)
I am not sure if this thread is still active or if it is the right place to suggest educational resources. Please do let me know.
I would suggest to add openFOAM to the list. It is increasingly used in environmental design for wind analysis around buildings for example. Two great resources that I have used are the following. They are generic and not tailored to AEC. OpenFOAM has a quite steep learning curve so you really need to understand the basics.
József Nagy
Introduction to CFD
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcOe4WUSsMkH6DLHpsYyveaqjKxnEnQqB
CFD Intermediate
Kenneth Hoste
Introduction to OpenFOAM @ Ghent University
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqxhJj6bcnY9RoIgzeF6xDh5L9bbeK3BL
If this is of interest I could go through the videos and make a selection.
@SigmaDimensions that would be one for you :-)
Sweet @ruggieroguida ! Thanks!
It is indeed the place for listing video tutorials ( and even written courses).
I'll add it to our site's database- it will appear on learn osarch.org once @tetov or @Moult pull the repository changes
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